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Ice Racing for 2009?

Chmeeee — Mon, 24 Nov 2008 10:09:03 GMT

Looking at the website, I'm wondering if the chapter is planning ice racing events for this winter. The description in the ice racing section mentions 2006 dates, so its not clear if thats just out of date or if it just won't be happening.

I do know of course that the specific dates can't be set until the ice thickness is known, so I'm just wondering in general for the season. :)

So when and where is the banquette?

Mussel Kar — Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:37:43 GMT

Inquiring minds want to know. North or South of Boston? Close to hotels?

Tie Breaker for G Class?

Gavin — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:52:52 GMT

Hey,
So, I brought the ruckus this weekend in the R32, taking the event seriously for once, to keep my 2nd place and secure a trophy from some ""novice"" in a red Miata. Although I 0wned his ***, he is now listed as having taken my 2nd place for the year. From what I understand, this should not be because we both have a first and three second place finishes, but his next best is a sixth and mine is a third.

Sorry to be picky about this, its not a big deal I know, but like I said I put a lot of effort into this last event. Take a look at my times, and remember I am on the stock all-season tires. I think I did quite well.

Would have gone for first if I knew Alex wasn't going to show up in his WRX after the first four events...

Edit - Oh look, more people are eligible for trophies now, sweet. Good for Bob Davis, cuz I got second, hehe.

Autocross technique

Mussel Kar — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:03:46 GMT

I think I will be trying some of this at Devens next year. I'm sure Larry won't mind.

http://video.kenblockracing.com/flash/player/

2009 Driving School schedule (revised 12/27/08)

DanChadwick — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:15:51 GMT

2009 Boston Chapter Driving School preliminary schedule and White Mtn Chapter events (in gray)

Saturday 4/25. WMC Advanced Driving Skills School (ADSS) Instructor Tune-up at NHMS parking lot.
Saturday 4/26. WMC ADSS at NHMS parking lot.
Thursday 4/30. WMC Cabin Fever Driving School at NHMS.

Saturday 5/9. ADSS at NHMS parking lot
Wednesday 5/20. Driving School at NHMS (tentative).
Saturday 4/23. WMC Street Survival Instructor Setup at NHMS parking lot.
Sunday 4/24. WMC Street Survival teen skills school at NHMS parking lot.

Friday 6/5. Driving School at NHMS.
Saturday 6/6. WMC Mini-only ADSS at NHMS parking lot.
Sunday 6/7. Street Survival young driver skills school at NHMS parking lot

Sunday-Monday 7/5-7/6. Driving School at NHMS.
Saturday 7/25. WMC ADSS at NHMS parking lot
Sunday 7/26. ADSS at NHMS parking lot
Friday 7/31. WMC Summer Heat Driving School at NHMS.

Friday-Sunday 8/7-8/9. Bimmers Across the Border XI Driving School at Le Circuit Mont Tremblant, Canada.

Saturday-Sunday 8/19-20. WMC Climb to the Clouds with VSCCA.
Wednesday-Thursday 9/23-9/24. Driving School and probable Club Race School at Watkins Glen. This Boston 2-day event usually precedes a 3-day Driving School and Club Race hosted by the Genesee Valley Chapter.
Saturday 9/26. Street Survival young driver skills school at NHMS parking lot\

Saturday 10/17. WMC ADSS at NHMS parking lot
Sunday 10/18. ADSS at NHMS parking lot
Friday-Sunday 10/23-10/25. Driving School at NHMS co-hosted with the White Mountain Chapter.

Details are still being finalized, including possible Club Race(s), event formats, and event details. Revised 11/10/08; added tentative 5/20 event. Revised 12/27; added ADSS and Street Survival events

2009 Autocross Series schedule (tentative)

DanChadwick — Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:53:31 GMT

2009 Autocross Series schedule (tentative)

Sunday, 4/26 - Autocross
Saturday-Sunday,5/9-10 - EVO school
Sunday, 5/24 - Autocross
Sunday, 6/14 - Test & Tune
Sunday, 6/28 - Autocross
Sunday, 7/26 - Autocross
Saturday, 8/1 - Autocross School
Sunday, 9/20 - Autocross
Sunday, 10/4 - Autocross
Saturday, 10/31 - Autocross

All events will again be at Devens Airport in Ayer, MA

Congratulations Miguel on GRM photo

DanChadwick — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:07:16 GMT

I was reading the November issue of Grassroots Motorsports, when I spied a familiar HMS/Turner stickered black M Roadster IP race car. No, couldn't. Yup, windshield says "Aponte-Rios". Congratuations to our Miguel on getting a LARGE photo of him leading the pack during the Boston Chapter-hosted July NHMS club race. As a rookie, Miguel won both sprint races, a remarkable achievement, I think.

Oct 12, last autocross of the year.

Mussel Kar — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:39:35 GMT

The weather was perfect and the course was fast. Thanks to all who worked to get the event together. I think it went fairly smooth considering the huge number of cars that were running. I also think Susan had what has to be the best spin of the year. I heard Hoosiers screaming and looked over to see her doing a major spin going into the timing lights and stop box, course workers running over to clean up the cone carnage. I don't know how she did it but the run was clean, not one cone touched.

Advanced Driving Skill School Oct 3-5 Overall feedback and HELP for a novice driver!

dahamler — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:18:05 GMT

Hello all,

I just had a few general questions and comments about the 3 day driving event this past weekend.

Overall I really enjoyed the event but I walked away a bit confused on a few things.

First off what makes a model novice driver?

I had to pleasure of having two different instructors and I felt that they weren’t entirely confident of my ability to negotiate to track at speed. I received excellent comments such as “you have great car control”, etc. but I also received comments such as “student likes to drive fast”. I always felt that I increased speed gradually during each session always staying well within the limits of my vehicle and my driving ability but I fell that they would be reluctant to sign me off to group 3 or 2.

Can I drive my own line? (one that is a combination of what I have learned from various instructors).

So far I have attended a total of three days of events and each day I spend the majority of my seat time learning “the line” that my instructor prefers which is becoming more and more frustrating over time.

I would much rather concentrate on things like steering and hand position, braking (both trail and threshold) and looking ahead, not attempting to replicate what my instructor prefers for his driving style/ vehicle type.

Now I do realize that I’m a novice with a 275+ hp, 2510 pound car that could get me into a lot of trouble if I were to make some error on the track , but isn’t the goal of these events is to develop one’s driving skill to a point were they can enjoy our vehicles in a safe environment.

Any comments or guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Dan

Sept 21 event

Athena46 — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 10:43:32 GMT

seems to me that it went about as smoothly as it's reasonable to expect. thanks to Christo and Larry and Scott for all their behind the scenes work -- thanks to Steve for another novice coursewalk [always managing to make them entertaining as well as informative] -- thanks to Christo [a terrific instructor] for hopping in with me -- thanks to Andy K. and Steve and Larry for being supportive about my car problem [still don't know what's wrong -- it goes to service tomorrow]

athena [16 / RSX-s except when i co-drive hubby's 330 ZHP]

PS i was a bit shocked at the driver's meeting when no one challenged the comment about how corner bosses shouldn't be bossy and lazy. personally, i don't agree -- i think corner bosses should take leadership responsibility seriously and should tell us what to do differently when it's needed -- sure, corner bosses should fix a cone right in front of them or run out to help if we're dealing with a clutter of downed cones, but otherwise, i think it's much more effective and safer when they're focused on watching for red flag situations and getting the radio calls right. from what i've seen, working the course is most effective when we work as a team, which i find usually means having the corner boss stand where s/he can spot numbers and do less running, so if i have to right a cone quickly, i don't have to waste time looking at a number long enough for my brain to store it because i know my corner boss has "my back" covered in 2 ways 1) on the number and 2) that s/he's watching the bigger picture and will yell at me if s/he thinks i'm cutting it too close and need to get the hell out of there.

so my two cents worth is that calling a corner boss lazy for not running out for as many cones as other workers is like calling a soccer goalie lazy for not running the length of the field.

Pictures from Yesterday's Autox? Anyone?

maponterios — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:36:33 GMT

Hello all;

Shot in the air.....I was told by a couple of corner workers that my car (M Z3 Flat Black) was lifting tires left and right. Im wondering if anyone has a pic of video of it pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaze?

Thanks guys!! It was a great event even with the hick-ups. KUDOS! to all involved especially Mr. Nicklas, Mr. Tinkov, "El Maestro" a.k.a. John Mac, and all the volunteers and helpers. Great time!!

See you all October!
Mig:D

Any instructors want to dual drive my car?

z28bryan — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:27:53 GMT

If there's any instructors out there who may have solidified 1st place already and want to try out a different car, you can dual drive my Camaro with me. Let me know if anyone's interested. I wouldn't mind picking up some pointers from someone and riding passenger.

It will be in class 'I' and is paxed as "SM" with 400 rwhp under the hood. The power might be exciting but the traction may not be. I'm running 300 treadwear Nitto 555 street tires.

NHMS 10/3-10/4

alik — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:38:43 GMT

Anyone going? How's about splitting a room?

HMS At Autox Sunday

maponterios — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:32:24 GMT

Hello All' Cone loving people!

As Larry mentioned before, I'll be there Sunday with some goodies (and maybe a small HMS surprise). I wanted to send a special announcement to all Z4 and Z3 owners. We are selling all of our left-over inventory on Z3 parts at BELOW cost!

CD Changers
Windjammers (Z4 also)
Clear Windjammer (Z4 only)
Car Covers (we have many for E36, E46, etc, etc)
Car Bras (same applies)
2-Z3 HMS ROLLBARS AVAILABLE! LAST 2!
2-Z3 HMS HARNESSBARS
Chrome accessories (various)
Racing Dynamics Strut Bars
Floor Mats
Center console (cup holders) tan and black
Soft Top Leather covers (red only)
and many more items!

I will have a Z3 windjammer in hand Sunday as well as a Z4 windjammer and Clear windjammer.

Come get it! See you all Sunday!
Have a great weekend guys
M:D

Any pictures from Autocross test and tune?

repenttokyo — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:52:28 GMT

I had a great time at the test and tune saturday - a HUGE thank-you to all of the instructors and organizers who took the time to not only organize a great event, but who were also brave enough to step into my E34 and bear the brunt of my newbie driving.

Given that my digicam bit the dust recently, and that I saw quite a few people taking photos, I was wondering if anyone could post the pics that they took, or maybe a link as to where to find them?

Thanks!

how to deal with the large sweeper in Aug24 AutoX? [video]

jinroh — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:24:18 GMT

Greeting,

Thank you all for organizing a great event!

I have trouble in approaching the large sweeper middle of the course, right after the tower.
My way is to floor gas the first half of the sweeper(miata), then tap the brake to make tail come out a bit. The results are very inconsistent. If I brake too little, the car is understeering and I struggled fighting with the wheel. If I brake too much, it's sliding. Either way, I could easily lose one second or more for that section. Maybe I should lift earlier and just let the car coasting during the rest of sweeper?

I am wondering how you guys approach that sweeper, particularly how to do it in a momentum car like miata?

Here is the youtube link for one of my laps, thank Alex for setting beside instructing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdKlY155llY&fmt=18

Cheers,
Yiming Zhang
No. 121, 1994 Miata NA white base, manual steering, non-ABS, open diff.
AGX shocks 6/6, stock spring, Toyo T1-R, Racing Beat 1-1/8 front swaybar, FCM 54mm bumperstops.

Edit: Allow me to turn that into a link for you - Moderator Dan

Street Survival

narrabimmer — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:01:54 GMT

Just wanted to weigh in as a major fan of the Street Survival course for teen drivers. As the parent of a graduate, I can attest to the skills improvement that results. My son says it's saved his butt a couple of times! As a high school teacher, I talk it up to my classes, and I hope they're listening. Today's Autoweek Daily Drive had an article on safety, and I replied to that with a plug for Street Survival. Real glad to see that the number of courses planned for next year is growing!

Two new track days: 10/3 (added to 10/4-5) and an INTENSIVE 10/17

DanChadwick — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:48:04 GMT

Basic info on the home page. We've added Friday to our October Sat/Sun event. The Friday Oct 17th event, though is unique. We are offering both solo and non-solo about 3.5 hours of track time. In order to do this, each non-solo driver will have two instructors during the day, for twice the learning opportunity.

Registraration is now OPEN. The registrar will be Denis Friedman. The cost will be $350 (less than twice the price for more than twice the track time).

EDIT: Corrected date in title. Sorry for the confusion.:Whistling:

EDIT: Regisistration is open now.

Autocross 5 results???

Mussel Kar — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:14:08 GMT

Many of the J class drivers seem to have run apx 20 seconds slower in the PM, me included. Did something happen to warp time or space? 6 of us in J had this time difference and three of the other drivers had their last 3 PM runs missing. Results list my best AM run @72.9 and my best PM @89.5.

Fellowship of the track

DanChadwick — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:54:34 GMT

After a fantastic day at NHMS, I went to change back to street tires and pads and discovered texas tea dripping from the bottom of my car. Miguel immediately came over, crawled on the floor, and tried to find the source. Alas, it was everywhere, so I called AAA (thank god for Plus coverage). Miguel stayed around for an extra hour or more (OK, the was beer involved, but still...), and drove me home. (Turned out to be just a rubbing oil line.)

I want to give a public "thank you" to Miguel Aponte-Rios and the others that offered to help and make sure my car and I got home. This is not the first time that other's have jumped in to help me (I'm thinking of Denis Friedman rebuiling my brake caliper at the Glen and also changing my broken fan, using his own spare part, for example).

It's a tribute to our sport that others give so freely. :w00t:

The Aug 24 autocross rocked!!!

Mussel Kar — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:45:43 GMT

Thanks to Larry, Steve, and of course John Mac for the course design that played well for all cars, powerfull or not. Also thanks to the others who helped out. I was stuck in the 71-73s but finished the day with a 69.*** +1, and that cone was just nicked by my tire. After my first run of the day I set my goal to break 70, screw the nicked cone, mission accomplished. Steve H are you reading this? (insert rasberry sound here) Susan also had two spins yesterday, her very first ones while competing. If you don't spin you are not trying hard enough.

Kinda bummed about the large number of No Shows. I was on the alternate list and had to work the gate (take nap) in the afternoon.

August 24 autocross

Mussel Kar — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:25:12 GMT

Am I imagining things? Are we really going to have great weather on Sunday? What is that large bright yellow thing in the sky? Maybe we have had a good non weather threatening autocross day this year, but I just do not remember when.

The Scruffy's will be there.

Evos at Play - August 9 Test and Tune (70 pics)

avengerhed — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:28:53 GMT

Here are 70 pics of the Evos that attended this week's test and tune...

We have about 400 others including some other peoples' cars.

Before I get to the pics, I just want to thank Larry and Steve again for such a well-run event. We had a great time and really enjoyed the track layout as well as the run group format. We look forward to participating in more of the Boston Chapter Events.

Hope you enjoy the pictures!!

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Can my mom drive in another car and watch?

urban07sti — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:42:14 GMT

Wanted to make sure it's ok if my mom can show up to watch the autoX event on Sunday. Maybe she'll even go for a ride in my car with me...haha.

Autocross Registration Question

JWBrockman — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:32:33 GMT

I have signed up for the September 21 autocross, and I see on the site that my registration was accepted, but I haven't recieved a confirmation e-mail with instructions for payment, etc. Should I have recieved this already? This is my first Boston BMWCCA autocross, and I just want to make sure I didn't miss something and I am all set for the event.

BMW classification question on E90

z28bryan — Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:52:27 GMT

I was wondering why an E90 325i sport sedan starts at higher points than a 328i sport sedan does. Would any of the classification gurus know?

E90 325i sport sedan = 79 pts

E90 328i sport sedan = 73.9 pts

This is for Boston BMWCCA autox by the way..

Mount-Tremblant

edumci — Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:36:02 GMT

All the members involved in providing such a wonderful experience of driving fast in a great track deserve a great THANKS.

The sky cooperated, the dinner at top of Mount-Tremblant was good, but the view of the valley was even better.

To Joe, Larry, Simon, et all you did a great job :)

Eduardo

Aug. 9 school

Athena46 — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:55:05 GMT

cheers to Steve for all the work he put into planning yet another instructional event and to Larry for helping him organize this one -- and we vote the kidney bean and John MacD's slalom exercise as tens for instructive experiences [for the "kids" reading this, American Bandstand: ten = top score for beat and dancability]-- so ...

my special thanks to John -- and to Rob [borrowed from RMC] who instructed Chris and Carl on the kidney bean, and to Hank who got stuck with trying to wean me of early apexing on the kidney bean.

a. RSX-s and my guys in the 330 ZHP

Big Thanks to Steve and all the Instructors/Volunteers!!!

avengerhed — Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:31:51 GMT

I'd like to take the opportunity to thank Steve, Larry, and all of the instructors and volunteers at Sunday's Autocross Test and Tune for such a great experience.

After attending one of the Boston Chapter's ADSS events and upon recommendation from a friend, I signed up for this weekend's event with a few of my Evo-driving friends. We all had a blast and really enjoyed the amount of seat time we got as well as the pointers from a great batch of instructors.

The event was run well, and was a great way to spend what turned out to be a nice Sunday in July. I've signed up for the August session and I look forward to getting back out there again...below I've posted some pictures that my wife took at the event...next time we'll catch some more of the rest of the field but these are pretty "Evo-centric". I'd welcome links/pics that anyone else has from the day.

Enjoy! And thanks for letting our Lunchboxes play with the Bimmers!

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-Dave
2004 Apex Silver Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII

Emailing TnT coordinator?

CRXMike — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:35:04 GMT

I was accepted to this Saturday's TnT and paid Paypal this past Saturday. However, I keep getting an Acceptance email and Please pay ASAP. I try to return the email to hazard@boston-bmwcca.org and it keeps coming back undeliverable.

Is there another email I can use? I want to go!!!

Why so few accepted for Test and Tune?

Gavin — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 09:37:04 GMT

There are only 60 people accepted for the test and tune as I write this.
What's up with that?

I need my weekly dose! And I'm getting worried.

What happens if it rains saturday - autocross

repenttokyo — Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:12:35 GMT

Will we still run in the rain on Saturday? If not, will there be a notification sent regarding the status of the event?

June 22nd Autocross

Dolly Sprint — Tue, 24 Jun 2008 12:52:51 GMT

Does anyone have any pictures from the June 22nd event at Devens, or have a link to some somewhere?

Cheers

Mark

july auto-x pics

szumita — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:31:07 GMT

Some pictures that me and tim took at the july auto-x. If you have some others, post them up so we can see some of us!

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killing the cone!

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cone rash on my car hahaha

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thats some of the ones we got, if you have any pics of the subaru sti guys post them here or email me some :)

jszumita@yahoo.com

see you guys in august!

July 27 autox

Athena46 — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:55:11 GMT

just wanted to shout out my cheers to Christo and Larry for organizing the event, to John, an evil genius of course design, to all the instructors who rode with us novices [especially to Christo]and to Hank for an absolutely fantastic novice walk through [i think somebody ought to award him the title "Novice Chief" responsible for all the rest of the season's novice walks (-:]

anyway, THANKS, guys! BTW, the jeers go to Mother Nature.

athena [still not fast but having a blast]

Waiver Form

Carleton45 — Mon, 14 Jul 2008 11:17:41 GMT

If everyone actually read the whole waiver at the gate before signing, we'd never get everyone in! So most of us just sign on the line that says "I've read this". Is the text posted somewhere online, where we could actually read it without holding up the show?

Which helmet will I need for autocross?

repenttokyo — Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:42:03 GMT

I am interested in participating in some of the autocross events. Will an M2005 helmet be acceptable? Also, is there a full face / open face policy for a closed car? Thanks!

Bimmers Across the Border - lodging

dvoronov — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:21:05 GMT

Hi guys,

I'll be heading up to Le Circuit on the 8th and I was wondering if anyone else who is, would be interested in sharing a chalet? The more I can get the better the price will be. Right now looking at around 100 a night, but if we get more then it would be even better. If interested, please email me to dmitryshw at gmail.com and indicate how many nights you wish to stay (I plan to be there Friday evening to Monday morning), and if you require a room or if a cot (or less :P) would be sufficient (we'll figure out the weight of the different levels of accomodation in the share of the daily cost together later - don't expect to pay as much for a room as you would for the couch or floor :) ).

Regards,

Dmitry

Concours d'Elegance date??

JimLev — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:05:15 GMT

Anyone know when this event will take place this year? Has a date been picked?

Winter Driving School?

repenttokyo — Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:51:53 GMT

Hi everyone,

I just moved down here from Canada, and joined the club last week. I was wondering if you offered a winter driving school, and if I could help out with that - or if winter was basically a non-issue for most drivers down here?